Sunday, August 31, 2008

Family Stories-Fact or Fiction

I think nearly every family has stories about their ancestors passed down from generation to generation. Some of these are very much factual but most of them are totally fiction. I have several cases of such stories in my family tree.


Story #1--My g.g.g.grandfather, James Parker was born in 1779 in Maryland and moved to Maysville, Kentucky sometime before 1802 when he married my g.g.g.grandmother, Susannah Donovan. From there he moved to Richland County, Illinois about 1819 and founded the town of Parkersburg. Now what else would he name it? Anyway, the Richland County History says--and I quote--"James Parker, a comrade of Daniel Boone and an old Indian fighter" Cool! So I look up Daniel Boone and find that he was born in 1734, a good 45 years before James was born. And by the time James would have been old enough to be a comrade and Indian fighter, Daniel had moved to Missouri. Now, granted, Boone lived in Maysville for a while living there from 1784 to 1788. My James would have been between 5 and 9 years old then. A tad young to be a comrade of Daniel's. But I do have another link to Daniel Boone and this one is fact. Daniel's sister Hannah Boone married Richard Pennington who was an uncle of my g.g.g.grandmother Sarah Pennington--who by the way never met James Parker as far as I know.


Story #2--My hubby is adopted and I have been lucky enough to trace both his adoptive and natural lines. Several years ago we found that he had a half sister. She gave us a lot of information on the family along with this little tidbit. Their g.g.grandmother was the sister of Mary Todd Lincoln! Wow. Double cool! So, of course, I did some research. Now, Mary Todd had lots of brothers and sisters but it seems that all of them were born in Kentucky. Now, I can't find the last name of hubby's g.g.grandmother but she married a James Walker probably in Indiana. She was born about 1814 in Pennsylvania. Hmmm, doesn't quite line up somehow, especially when her name was also Mary! But, hey, did you know that Mary Todd's mother's maiden name was Parker??? Maybe there is a link there--but I sincerely doubt it.


Story #3--- My g.g.g.g.grandfather, William "Indian Billy" Ice, was born 1730 in Hampshire County, Virginia. When he was a child (no one seems to know how old), his father and older brother John went in to "town" for supplies. This was a trip that took several days. The mother, Margaret, stayed at home with the younger children. During this time, the Shawnee Indians attacked the home and apparently killed Margaret and possibly one of William's sisters. He and the other two sisters were kidnapped and taken back to Ohio where they were raised by the Indians. A number of stories have been told about how Billy escaped from the Indians. One states that he was out with a group of Indians when he and an Indian boy were left alone. He became afraid of the boy, escaped and went to Pittsburgh where he was hidden. There are several stories about how he then went to France, then back to America to work on the Mason Dixon line where he was discovered by his stepmother and reunited with his father. Since his father had moved after his capture, he didn't know where he was. Other stories state that Billy was made a Chief by the Indians. Still other stories state that he served as an interpreter after he returned to civilization. So, how many of these are fact and how many are fiction, I doubt anyone even knows.

Story #4-Mary, the sister of Indian Billy was kidnapped at the same time he was. Family tradition states that Mary Ice was the wife of the Shawnee Chief Pucksinwah and the mother of his children including Tecumseh the great Indian chief.Most histories state that Pucksinwah's wife was a Creek Indian. Some say that Tecumseh had blue or hazel eyes . Pictures show that he wore a medallion around his neck which some people felt was a profile of a white woman, his mother. Apparently, though, this was a medallion with the likeness of King George III on it. Family history states that Mary returned to visit her family when she was very old but despite pleas from her family returned to live with the Indians. I have talked to a couple of college professors who teach Ohio history and they say that this family story is totally fiction and that Tecumseh's mother was an Indian not a white woman.
Descendants of Mary Bayles (wife of Andrew Ice who was half brother of Mary and Indian Billy Ice) and family historian, Norman F. Kendall state that Mary Bayles was the mother of Tecumseh but also state that his father was Young Eagle which is known to be untrue. This tradition states that Mary Bayles returned to her family with Tecumseh and he lived among the whites until age 15 but threats against his life prompted William "Indian Billy" Ice to return him to the Shawnees. I have read many books and stories about Tecumseh and nowhere have I read that he lived with the whites for several years. Soooo-it would look like this is another fictional family story. I'm not sure why these families wanted so badly to be so closely identified with Tecumseh.

Story #5-This one is apparently fact and is documented in several histories of New Amsterdam. My 7th great grandfather, Laurens Duyts, was born in Denmark in 1610. He came to New Amsterdam in 1639. His passage was paid by a man named Jonas Bronk in exchange for work clearing some land in New Amsterdam. This land later became known as the Bronx. Laurens also got into some trouble with Gov. Peter Stuyvesant for committing adultery and for selling his wife into adultery! "For selling his wife, Ytie Jansen, and forcing her to live in adultery with another man and for living himself also in adultery, he was to have a rope tied around his neck, and then to be severely flogged, to have his right ear cut off, and be banished for fifty years. He went to Bergen, New Jersey and died there." Ouch!! Oh yeah, and after his banishment, he married Ytie's sister.

I would love to be able to time travel and go back and meet and talk to these ancestors and get the real facts. Some of these stories remind me of the old game where a bunch of people would sit in a circle. The first person would whisper something to the person next to him and so on. Then the last person in the circle would say aloud what they were told. It usually was totally different from the beginning sentence. I'm sure that many of these stories started off so much different from the way we heard them.

I guess what I'm saying is--don't always take what you hear about your ancestors as the absolute truth!

Monday, August 11, 2008

Posting on Ancestry.com

I know that it has been quite a while since I have posted here. I have been busy--all day, every day--putting all of my lines, pictures etc on Ancestry.com. I have added several different lines.

I have three different lines for my husband. He is adopted but thanks to a very comprehensive adoption history, I was able to find both his birth maternal and paternal lines. And, we have been able to meet a sister from his maternal line and cousins and an aunt from his paternal line. I have put the information from his birth paternal line in a tree called Ritten/Ryten Gershtenman/Gorman Family Tree. This line goes back to Russia and Poland. Both of these families immigrated to America and settled in Detroit. His birth maternal line information is in a tree called Thomas and Walker family tree. The Thomas' came from Wales. Edward Thomas worked in the coal mines in Boulder County, Colorado but moved to Detroit where he died. His wife took the Merrill name from her stepfather but her mother was a Walker from Indiana and her father was a Grehear from Germany.His adoptive line is in a tree entitled Runta and O'Malley Family Tree. The Runtus family immigrated from Lithuania to Pennsylvania where Anthony worked in the coal mines. The O'Malleys and Worns families were from Graves End, England and immigrated in the early part of the 1900's to NYC and on to Detroit.

As for my lines I did my dad's side first. This one is called Brooks, Dye, Ice Family Tree. The Brooks' went from Pennsylvania to Delaware to Virginia to Harrison County, West Virginia to Washington County, Ohio. It was in West Virginia and Washington County, Ohio that they intermarried with the Dye and Ice family--both very prolific families in the area. Other names in this line are Bogard from New York to West Virginia; Sayers from Ireland to Pennsylvania to West Virginia; Taylor from New York to Washington County, Ohio and Pearce from Delaware to Monroe County, Ohio.

I am still working on putting my mother's tree online. I have a LOT of names to put on line. I know that I could just download a gedcom file but I wanted to put each name on individually so I could check them against what is already online. When I eventually get it all up to date, this line will include Clarks from Richland County, Illinois back to Virginia and Barbados; Richards and McCoy from Richland County, Illinois back to Wilson County, Tennessee; Morgan and Gupton from Wabash County, Illinois back to Carter County, Tennessee and North Carolina; Roberts from Wayne and Wabash Counties, Illinois back to Virginia; Gaddy and Montgomery from Wabash County, Illinois back to North Carolina and Virginia; and Preston and Finney from Wabash County, Illinois back to Hamilton County, Ohio and points east.

I had posted much of this information years ago but Ancestry.com has updated it's site and method of adding family trees--so to stay up with the times, this is why I am doing it again. Plus it is a great way to share pictures and other information with others.

So, forgive me for not posting here for awhile.

Thursday, July 31, 2008

My Mom & Amelia Earhart

I have always thought that my mom and Amelia Earhart could have been sisters. I was reminded of that again last week when we were at the Air and Space Museum in San Diego. I took a picture of a picture of Amelia and have been comparing them to pictures of my mom. Of course they both had the same hairdo but even their facial features are the same. What do you think?













That's Amelia Earhart on the left and my mom on the right.

Tuesday, July 15, 2008

Wordless Wednesday-Sara Gittel Goldberg Ryten

This is my husband's great grandmother, Sara Gittel Goldberg Ryten, and one of her daughters. It was probably taken between 1910-1919 in Poland.

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Tuesday, July 8, 2008

Wordless Wednesday-Clark Reunion 1918

This is a family reunion in 1918 of my mother's family. The lady on the far right is my grandmother, Clara Ethel Morgan Clark. The young lady next to her is my mother, Opal Clark, age 11 and next to her is her sister, Maxine Clark, age 7.

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Tuesday, July 1, 2008

Wordless Wednesday-Cousin Stella

This was Stella Muncy a granddaughter of Lucinda Montgomery Muncy McGuire. I would love to have known her. I bet she was a fun lady!!

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Monday, June 30, 2008

My Montgomery's

My great, great, great Grandfather, John Montgomery. He is buried in the Gaddy Cemetery in Lawrence County, Illinois. This cemetery is way back down a country lane in the middle of a cornfield. It is surrounded by trees and is well taken care of. All of the tombstones are very old and as you can see by my g.g.g.grandmother's tombstone, some are in bad shape.

My great, great, great grandmother, Elizabeth Gaddy Montgomery. She is buried next to her husband in Gaddy Cemetery.


A while back, I posted a picture of my g.g.grandmother, Lucinda Montgomery. Several years ago, we joined Clan Montgomery Society International of which I am now the PR person. I had hoped to be able to find someone else in Clan Montgomery who connected to my Montgomery family. But, so far, no luck!

Lucinda Montgomery was born January 25, 1842 in Wabash County, Illinois. She married on November 27, 1859 in Wabash county #1. Archibald Ruddle Roberts born October 12, 1822 in Wayne County, Illinois. This was his second marriage. He died May 15, 1865 in Wabash County. They had 4 children.
#1. Charles R. Roberts was born September 22, 1860 in Wabash County and died April 16, 1861.
#2. Lewis Edward Roberts born January 21, 1862 Wabash County died March 21, 1923 in Wabash County.
#3. Ada Roberts born Feb. 10, 1863 Wabash County died March 2, 1864 Wabash County.
#4. (my great grandmother) Laura Belle Roberts born January 30, 1865 Wabash County died June 8, 1930 Evansville, Indiana. She married Calvin Douglas Morgan on January 11, 1882 in Wabash County.

Lucinda married #2 John A.Muncy Sr.on December 30, 1866 in Wabash County. John was born August 10, 1834 in West Virginia and died August 8, 1887 in Tarrant County, Texas. John and Lucinda had 4 children.
#1. Alida "Lidy" Muncy born June 6, 1867 in Wabash County died Feb. 20, 1940 in Mansfield, Tarrant County, Texas. Married Jacob M. Back.
#2. Asa Muncy born November 12, 1869 Wabash County, Illinois died October 7, 1951 in Los Angeles, California.
#3. Elgin R. Muncy born about 1872 in Illinois and died before 1900
#4. John A. Muncy, Jr. born January 1, 1881 Tarrant County, Texas died 1940 Mansfield, Tarrant County, Texas. Married Ada B. House.

Lucinda married #3. Solomon S. McGuire on June 29, 1890 in Tarrant County, Texas. He was born September 13, 1826 in Surrey County, North Carolina and died September 7, 1894 in Tarrant County. They had no children.


Lucinda was the daughter of John Montgomery and Elizabeth Gaddy. Elizabeth was the daughter of Elijah Gaddy and Lydia Fuller. John and Elizabeth were married in Wabash County April 1830. She was just 14 years old. She was the next to youngest of 11 children and was an orphan living with an older brother. I have a feeling big brother wanted to get rid of her. She, however didn't have any children until she was 18.

John Montgomery was born March 9, 1809 in North Carolina and died December 4, 1858 in Wabash County. Elizabeth was born December 15, 1815 in Wilson County, Tennessee and died May 24, 1858 (just a few months before John) in Wabash County, Illinois. I have no idea who John's parents were.

John and Elizabeth had 11 children all born Wabash County, Illinois.
#1 James Montgomery born Feb. 2, 1834. Died after February 4, 1888. He married Sidia/Lydia E. Moore March 19, 1863 in Lawrence Co., Illinois and had 9 children. Only 3 daughters lived to adulthood.
#2. William Montgomery born February 13, 1836, died April 6, 1862 at the Battle of Shiloh in the Civil War. Unmarried.
#3. George Montgomery born August 15, 1838 and died before 1850.
#4. John Montgomery, Jr. born August 3, 1840. I have no idea when or where he died.
#5. Lucinda Montgomery (my g.g.grandmother) born January 24, 1842.
#6. Leonard Montgomery born February 18, 1844, died Nov. 25, 1861 at Camp Butler, Illinois due to measles during the Civil War. Unmarried
#7. Malinda Montgomery born March 10, 1846, died after January 21, 1861.
#8. Mary Ann Montgomery born February 16, 1849 married James Rodgers.
#9. Elizabeth Montgomery born March 18, 1851 died February 21, 1852.
#10. Martha A. Montgomery born December 24, 1852 married William B. Thompson
#11. Elijah Montgomery born February 25, 1856 died after February 4, 1888. I don't know whether he married or not.

After John and Elizabeth died, the older brothers took care of and supported the younger children. After William and Leonard died in the Civil War, James supported the younger ones using pension money from the two brothers.

I would love to know who John's father was. The name John Montgomery is just about as common as the name, Hugh Montgomery. But, the name Leonard is not all that common. I am hoping that there is a link between John naming a son, Leonard, and his parents or grandparents. I sure could use some help on this and would appreciate any help at all.